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FOERSTER TRIAL VIDEO: Police comfort and cajole Foerster for information

Matthew Foerster is comforted by a police officer in his interrogation.
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April 10, 2014 - 11:23 AM

WARNING: Some language used in this story may not be appropriate for all audiences

KELOWNA - This is an earlier portion of Matthew Foerster's interrogation from April 6, 2012.

Police use various techniques to get him to speak and get him to trust them and tell them how and why he killed 18-year-old Taylor Van Diest on Halloween night, 2011.

He gives police little information until his brother appears in the second portion of the video. Follow this link to see that portion of the video with transcripts.

NOTE: The transcript is the entire interview until Foerster's brother arrives but the video has been edited for length to 33 minutes.

DAVIDSON:  This is uh, Mark DAVIDSON of the “E” Division uh, Major Crime Unit.  Today’s date is the uh, sixth (6th) of April, two thousand and twelve (2012).  Time right now on my watch is uh, six (6:00) P.M.  Presently at the Kelowna RCMP detachment in Kelowna B.C.  Today’s uh, interview is w..in respect to project ENEMESIA.  That is E-N-E-M-E-S-I-A.  Uh, Southeast District Major Crime file number two thousand eleven dash nine six seven seven (2011-9677).  This is the uh, murder of Taylor VAN DIEST.  VAN DIEST is spelled V-A-N D-E-I-S-T which occurred on the thirty first (31ST) of October, two thousand and eleven (2011).  Uh, presently in uh, police custody in the Kelowna cells here is uh, Matthew Stephen FOERSTER.  FOERSTER is spelled F-O-E-R-S-T-E-R.  Uh, Math, Matt was uh, escorted here from the Collingwood O.P.P. office after he was remand in custody in the courts in Barrie, Ontario.  Uh, he’s then since been uh, warrant executed here in British Columbia and he was again remanded this morning until court on Tuesday. Uh, he’s had a face to face uh, uh, conversation with his lawyer, legal counsel and a conversation today.  Uh, he’s  gonna be escorted up here by Constable Tyler BELL of the uh, Southeast District Major Crime unit and I’ll be interviewing him.  Uh, on the wall up here is a large uh, timeline data base print out.  On the wall across here and some photographs of uh, Taylor uh, prior to her uh, to her death.  Also is a computer um, and a keyboard, or I’m sorry, a monitor.

    Sgt. DAVIDSON leaves room

    Cst. BELL and FOERSTER into room


BELL:  Here Matt.  Okay.  Have a, that’s probably the best seat right there.  Have a seat there.  Um, I’ll probably end up running out for coffee, do you do you want another coffee?

FOERSTER: Sure.

BELL:  Do you take anything?  I forget, do you take cream and sugar?

FOERSTER: Sure.

BELL:  Kay.

  Cst. BELL leaves the room 

  Sgt. DAVIDSON into room


DAVIDSON: Hey Matt.  How’s it going?  Good to see you man, how you doing?

FOERSTER: Hanging in there.

DAVIDSON: Hanging in there?  How you feeling?  A little better here?  The cells?  Mattress? 

FOERSTER: A little.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  How was the trip?

FOERSTER: It was okay.

DAVIDSON: Long?

FOERSTER: Long, yeah. 

DAVIDSON: Um, I just got in last night, late.  And uh, I figured, you know what, I’m gonna come and see you again before I uh, head down to Vancouver.  And uh, chat with you a couple of things.  That’s reality there, eh?  (referring to Newspapers on table)

FOERSTER: Yeah.  A big eye opener.

DAVIDSON: What’s that?

FOERSTER: It’s a big eye opener.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  And that’s that’s just the three newspapers.  As a matter of fact,  the Collingwood Newspaper has, on the front page, apparently the landlady there, is it Victoria or, is that her name?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: She’s uh, come forward, as soon as she saw this.  And uh, guess she was outta town when you were arrested the other day, that’s why they had to boot your door in.  So it’s uh, it’s across the Country man.  Um, since you left uh, the cells there yesterday, and did the plane ride, everybody treating you well?  Any issues at all?  Anything that I should know about uh, anybody mistreated you?  Threatened you?  Promised you, did anything that uh....

FOERSTER: No.

DAVIDSON: Ignorant or anything?

FOERSTER: No.

DAVIDSON: No.  I see uh, you got new clothes.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Yeah, excellent and uh, you had a shower.  Yeah, last thing I wanted, and I told you that way back that uh, I don’t want you feeling uh, mistreated or anything like that.  Not that I would expect anybody too, but I wanna make sure you’ve been looked after.  Get some sleep last night?

FOERSTER: A little bit.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  How was the cells here compared to Collingwood?  Nosier?  Quieter?

FOERSTER: Uh, a little bit louder. 

DAVIDSON: A little bit louder?

FOERSTER: Nosier I guess.

DAVIDSON: Yeah, it’s uh, I think it’s a little busier place in Kelowna then uh, then Collingwood.  Like just the city itself.  Um, this this is what I was talking about about the uh, the picture.  And how it gets left.  Like the Province, Sun, there’s the Okanagan paper.  And it’s all over the internet, Facebook news.  And uh, I wanted to kinda give you a little bit of an idea of where things were at right now.  Um, I guess that uh, you made the comment there, just a couple minutes ago, about a big eye opener.  That this is this is real right?  Like it’s not uh, not a joke or it’s not somebody trying to ramboose you or you know, make it out to be something that it’s not.  This is... this is the real deal. 
  .  .  .
  Um, (clears throat) obviously your... your family, your mom, and your sister and uh, your brothers, they’re having a hard go with it.  Obviously when the... the newspaper broke and the different things and I wanted you to be aware that uh, that this was going on.  Uh, the investigation is still moving forward.  Uh, I was called yesterday, late yesterday afternoon, uh, Tyler had talked to me about uh, your belongings and wanting to find, you had some stuff there you were concerned about.  Um, so I’ll tell you, we uh... I had him... well orchestrated to have some investigators that went out there.  There was still some from the unit, from Vancouver over there and, uh, they went into the house.  There was a search warrant executed and, uh, I can tell you that your... your money that you were worried about has been secured, uh, by the police.  Okay.  I think it was... I believe it was found somewhere where you directed them to in a wallet or something.  Does that sound right?

FOERSTER: Well it was a sleeping bag.

DAVIDSON: Y-yeah, something like... does that sound right though?  Is... I think it was thirty-five hundred bucks or...

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Does that...

FOERSTER: My wallet too so.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  And, uh, obviously there’s a extensive search being done there.  Uh, they have uncovered some other stuff that, uh, obviously there’s some questions about and, uh, some books that they’re thumbing through right now.  Uhm, but, uh, obviously if there’s something, any-anything around... any of that stuff, I’m going to be updated as, uh, as we go along here.  But I thought it was important that you knew that, uh, that you stuff has been secured and looked after.  Alright.   Uh (clears throat) I... I know this is tough, buddy.  I... I... I say that because I’ve been in this chair here many times.  Right.  And, uh... you’re welcome to take that water, it’s for you.  And I thought it was important that, uh, you heard it from me, as opposed ta some sheriff or whoever or walking into the courthouse on Tuesday or whatever about, uh, the media and everything.  And there’s something else, uh, I... I told about and I’m gonna tell you right now that I was, for lack of a better word, I was fuckin’ livid that I understand there was some freaking camera or something...

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: ...at the plane.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Uh, that has been dealt with.  That was not directed by, uh, uh, by myself or by anybody else i-in... in our portion here.  So I wanna apologize for that.  That’s... that’s, uh...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...that’s un... that’s... that bullshit, that’s... that’s all I’m gonna say to that.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: And, uh, that’s been dealt with, alright.  Matt, the... the huge question in... in... in Cherryville and Lumby and everything right now is...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...is how did this happen.  And these... these people... and when I say these people, I mean the people who write this stuff.  Right. 


  (PORTION REDACTED)


DAVIDSON: I feel your pain and I honest to God do.  I honest to God do, Matt.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: Let it out.  Let it out.   Let it out, man.  You didn’t mean to kill her did you. Matt.  It was an accident, wasn’t it. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles/crying)

DAVIDSON: It’s okay, Matt.   It’s okay, you gotta get it out.  You need your story out.

FOERSTER: (sniffles) 

.  .  .

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: I talked to a guy before who said that he had thoughts about...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: He never thought he could actually do it and he tried and he did it.  But he tried to back out before it was over.  Is that the same for you?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: How many times have you cried out for help?  How many times? 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: Your mom talked about she should have listened harder and better.  Did your mom try... did you try to talk to your mom?  ‘Cause I can tell you that people with journals, they’re trying to find a way to get their thoughts out, trying to escape from those thoughts. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: It doesn’t mean you’re a bad person though Matt.  And I think you know that I believe in you. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: I don’t want you labelled as something you’re not.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: It’s not fair to you. 

(PORTION REDACTED)

Cst. BELL into room

BELL: Sgt, uh, DAVIDSON said you need a bathroom break, Matt.  Okay.  I think he’s, uh, he’s gonna be a couple minutes.  Well I think he went to washup or something like that so just, uh, grab ...(inaudible)... then we’ll go.  Is, us... did you get the...  The coffee yet?

FOERSTER: No.

BELL:  Okay.  I’ll... I’ll talk with, uh, Sgt. DAVIDSON about that too.  Just, uh... I know the policy here is to handcuff people, but I think you and I have, uh... you’ve been very good with me, so, and we’re just going down the hallway to the bathroom, so I’ll forgo the handcuffs right now.  We’re not really gonna go past anybody so.  Okay.


Cst. BELL and FOERSTER leave the room

Cst. BELL and FOERSTER back into the room


BELL: And I’ll, uh, make a point of either getting the coffee myself this time or I’ll check on seeing where it’s at.  Alright.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: You know, what I said, like something changed between you and I yesterday, uh, went from being somebody who’s... I’ve seen people in your position who have been cold-hearted and cowardly.  It’s different in you, Matt, I’m telling you.  You have the ability to do to the right thing.  Okay. 


01:46:37 Cst BELL leaves the room

01:51:38 Cst. BELL back into room


BELL:  I, uh... I got you a coffee.  Uh, I don’t know where Sergeant DAVIDSON... kinda... I think he’s following up on something around your family that came up and he wanted to follow up on those personally, so, uh, rather just leave me here, sitting here by yourself.  I brought Mark’s, sorry, Sergeant DAVIDSON’s coffee in.  There’s yours.  It was cream and sugar, right?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Okay.

FOERSTER: What’s going on?

BELL: In what sense?

FOERSTER: My family.

BELL: An-and again I... it... there’s... it’s a lot of activity that’s going on.  I... typically I don’t get exposed to the finer details.  I just know that he, uh... something came up regarding your family and it drew his attention, so he said, “I’ll take care of it.”  That’s all I heard him say is, “I’ll take care of that,” and he walked down the hallway so I figured I’d come in, rather than just leave you sit here alone.  I’ll put your coffee over here , Matt.  I’m just gonna hang out in here with you, so.  Have you be... have you been in Cherryville all your life, Matt?

FOERSTER: Pretty much.

BELL: Pretty much, yeah.  I spent a lot of time over in Nakusp.

FOERSTER: It’s nice up there.

BELL: Yeah.  Have you been to the hot springs out there?

FOERSTER: No.

BELL: Apparently they’ve got, uh... well my wife and I and my daughter and I, we’ve gone to, uh, Halcion and then there’s the... the hot springs that are... apparently you can hike to in the bush, Saint Leon’s or something.

FOERSTER: Oh, yeah.

BELL: And there’s the one that’s called Half-Way Creek or something like that.  They’re up... up there.  We have yet to hike up to those so.  Actually went to, uh... when my daughter was born last year, before we... before she was born, we went to a midwife who worked out in Cherryville.  Her name’s, uh... oh shit, probably significant later in life when my daughter’s (chuckles) when my daughter’s older, that I remember who the midwife was.  But, yeah, she lived out in Cherryville.  Are you a... a Charles Bloom grad?

FOERSTER: Oh, yeah.  My family doesn’t deserve any of this.

BELL: Like wha-what they’re... they are experiencing?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: What do you... wha... like I’ve chatted... in the past, I’ve chatted with Stefanie.  I’ve chatted with your mom, uh...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: What do... what do you think the... like they’re experiencing.

FOERSTER: All this crap.  (sighs)

BELL: Help... help me understand like when... like what do you mean when you say they’re experiencing you think.

FOERSTER: Well being harassed and everything else.

BELL: And are you getting that from like seeing the media stuff?  Do you feel like they’re being harassed?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: I would think that...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...that that feeling, that you think they’re feeling is probably... I’m gonna say is probably fairly... fairly accurate.   Uh,

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: It’s... in fact, I almost think it’s a bit of a heads-up I think we usually give ta... to families on both sides of the equation.  Both the people who are the victim’s families and the... the person who’s in your positions, uh, that... it’s... it’s bound to be an overwhelming experience for... from the media, from friends and family that are calling in.  Like I’m... I’m actually the... the one who takes the messages off the TIP line...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...and there’s a message on there from, is it... is it HY... HYDMAN, HYDAMAN.  Is that the woman who’s a landlord in Collingwood?  She left a message.  So.  Yeah.  It’s, uh... it is... it is shitty, I agree.  Uh, we have a... and probably as you... you’ll experience and maybe even as your... your family experiences, we as, you know, the police sometimes have an adversarial re-relationship, uh, with the... with the media.  So.  I think you’re probably right, that’s what your family is facing.  Is... is that part of the reason why, you know, you wanted to talk to your mom yesterday?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: If... if you... if you had the ability to talk ta... to anybody in your family...  I... I personally never had the chance to chat with Justin.  I chatted with your sister and your mom.  Your sister, uh, is a pretty neat person.  I... she’s... was down in the Coast apparently doing some stuff on, uh... with the hair and makeup and that...  Do you know how much she spent on her school?  Thirteen thousand dollars she’s put... uh, she spent to put herself through the school.  That blew me away.  Uh, and, yeah, and then, uh, she has plans of I guess working on a movie set or something, stuff like that.  And I said to your mom, when I chatted with her, I said Stefanie is a... uh, like she’s only like nineteen or twenty years old, isn’t she.  And I’m like, Stefanie’s a pretty neat person, the fact that she... she’s gone to the Coast and live there and come back.  I didn’t leave home till I was into my... my mid-twenties.  Uh, I still get a little homesick.  (chuckles)  And she... she left home when she’s in her twenties and moved to the Coast, then she moved back.  She’s putting herself through school, plus she’s working.  She’s pretty neat and, uh, she’s very articulate, the way she speaks.  Like when I would ask her something or she... or I’d ask her to describe something, she’d be...  You know how s-some people, they’re... they’re nineteen or twenty, they’ll go on, they’ll...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: The-they... they speak like... like she might speak like a ditz or something like that.  She didn’t... she wasn’t like that.  She was very... very confident in the way she spoke.  So.  Uh, unfortunately... uh, I shouldn’t say unfortunately, because it is what it is, she... eh... the talking with me and the experience of talking with me, ups... got her upset at a certain point.  She got... she started to cry.  Uh, so.  That’s... I mean that’s tough to see, ‘cause it wasn’t my intention.  So.  I-if you... if you could, with one family member, if you... if you could, who would you pick out?  Who’s the most significant?  Like for me, in... in a heartbeat, it’s my dad. 

FOERSTER: (sighs)

BELL: And... and I’m gonna guess that for you it’s probably mom.  I’m just... I’m guessing.

FOERSTER: It’s pretty hard to pick.

BELL: It’d be... now is it hard to pick amongst all of them, or just between mom and dad?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)  All of them because...  I’ll like to talk to all of them right now, but, uh (sighs)  Never really had what my dad’s going through.  ...{inaudible}... talking, found out that all this mess.

BELL: Are you surprised he stood by you, Matt?  I’m not s... I’m not surprised either.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ‘Cause really, I mean he’s your dad, hey.  Like you guys hunt, fish.  You guys lived in a...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...in a... in a home, uh, uh, on your property for how many years.  You go there.  You go... you went there every Sunday for dinner, didn’t you?  I know I did.  Uh, not to your place, obviously my own parents, but I mean I... I would go home every Sunday when I was your age and I lived... when I lived, uh, back in Alberta.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)  

BELL: An-and... and... to be honest with you, I think your mom... mom covered for you too because... and I told her this.  She’s doing the motherly thing, Matt.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: They love you. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles) 

BELL: Wha-what do you think that is... is gonna come... what do you think your...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...family’s gonna do now, like as far as their lives?

FOERSTER: (sniffles) 

BELL: If they... if they had to, do you think it... it would be tough to leave Cherryville?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: They would ha... they would be able to do that, do you think?

FOERSTER: They’re gonna have to.

BELL: An-and you know the reason I ask that is because I, myself and, uh, Moe and I work with... uh, we went and chatted with, is it Jackson WOOD or Jackson WOODS.  We went and chatted with Jackson and... and it’s interesting the way him de... him describe that when he would go to Vernon, like just going to Vernon in general, he thought that that, for him, that felt like going into the big city.  And he...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: So hate going into Vernon because it’s like going to the city and people look at you different or they treat you different because you’re from Cherryville.  And he very much, uh, uh, was... was attached to Cherryville.  Cherryville was his home and that’s all... that’s where he wanted to spend his life.  And, you know, for me that was tough to wrap my mind around.  But he... but for him, it was... there... there wouldn’t be any second thought.  Vernon was too big of a city for him.  So.  Uh, do you kinda feel the same way about Cherryville, because you guys... people who live in Cherryville, like you really have the run of Cherryville.  You all know each other and ya go out in the bush and you have lots of fun, is the sense I get.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: Eh... m-my sense is that your family was... was getting prepared ta... to leave Cherryville.  Uh, uh, this may... this may push them past that.  And like you said, they... they’ll almost kinda have to.  So. 

FOERSTER: (sighs) 

BELL: When we, uh... when... when we were travelling yesterday, Matt, did... did... did  things... did things hit you emotionally that you never... never thought they would?

FOERSTER: I guess it’s just me, right.  Fuck, I’m like an animal, feel like.

BELL: Where and where did you feel that?  At what place did you feel that the most?  I think I know where you felt that, but where do you think you felt that?

FOERSTER: Well...

BELL: Uh... I... when I walked into that Barrie, uh, Courthouse, I was... I was even...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...telling people when I walked out of there and I said... we walked in, there’s these five Barrie police guys that, uh, brought you over and searched you and it was this horseshoe of guys behind bars that were hoopin’ and hollerin’.  I thought, man.  Even as a policeman walk in there, it’s like Jesus.  Uh, and that’s where I th... that’s where I could understand if I... if I... from your perspective, from somebody who’s never been in jail before, that that... that was a very different experience.  I remember when we left, uh, Barrie and I’ve never... I don’t remember this really... sorry when we left Collingwood, I remember Greg,  the guy that I was working with.  He said, well where you wanna go?  And... and I’m like... we give people...  And I... it’s foreign to me to give people, uh, people that we’re working with, like in your situation, choices of where they go.  And you had said, “well I’d rather go to segregation than general population.”  Did they... what did they do with that when you got to Barrie, did they put you in...

FOERSTER: Just put me in there.

BELL: Was it in that big one with like twenty people in there?  Did anybody say anything to you?

FOERSTER: Like what?  Just where...

BELL: Cou... do you think that they could tell that you were... you were new to all this, ‘cause there’s some guy... you could tell... and you can tell there’s the guys down in Kelowna cells right now, especially the guys that are hoopin’ and hollerin’, like this is part of their life, eh.  Did... did anybody say anything to you that they got the sense this is a new...  Yeah.   Yeah.  I remember you and I were chattin’ yesterday and you had said the whole... that the whole thing around, do you...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: Do you have my, uh, my... my parents’ phone number.  And I said, “well I don’t have it,” and I asked you, “is there something you want me to do with it?”  And... and if I remember it was kind of you wanted to get a hold of mom. You… are you able to have a message sent to your mom or anything like that or do you know if one is?  An-an more importantly, if there... is there a message that I can, if I could, if I was able to, is there a message I can give to your mom?

FOERSTER: (crying)  

BELL: I can give... I can give one to Stefanie too, if you want, ‘cause I think I have a good relationship with Stefanie, but...

FOERSTER: (sighs) 

BELL: At the very least, do you want me to tell them that you love them?  Okay. 

FOERSTER: Yeah. 

BELL: I think I... if I’m able to chat with them, I... I... if I’m able to chat with them, I’ll guarantee I’ll tell them that. 

FOERSTER: Thank you.  (sighs) (sniffles)  I was hoping I would be able to speak to them  at one point or another.

BELL: You... you wanna speak with them, Matt?

FOERSTER: At one point or another.

BELL: Well and I’m ob... as you can probably...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...tell, I’m not the guy who gets to make decisions, so I, uh, I could certainly...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...advocate for you on that and say, you know, something, Matt... Matt would like ta... ta have happen.

FOERSTER:  (sighs) (sniffles)  Oh.

BELL: ...{inaudible}... you... you’re really surprising me today, Matt, because I didn’t think that you, uh...
FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: I didn’t think that you... you actually cared.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: Uh, I’m... I feel a bit emotional inside of how emotional you feel.  Because I don’t... I don’t see this side a lot of people.  Certainly not this side of...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...of people who are... or in your situation, people...  I know I’ve seen... like I said, I’ve seen Sergeant DAVIDSON work before and people are cowardly, uh...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...they just totally shut down, they’re zombies and... and in my mind, they’re cowards.  Uh, so and I... I... and I wondered that about you when I first met you, you know, us coming, crashing into your motel room.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: And then the day you and I had a very much a  yes/no, yes, no on your part, me asking you very pointed questions.  And i-i-i-it shifted and I... I didn’t see this coming in your part.  Uh...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: I guess it’s part of the reasons why... I’m a bit surprised why I’m actually just sort... sort of sitting here shooting the breeze with you because typically, as you can probably tell the first day, I just sit there and not say anything, ‘cause I... I didn’t... I didn’t give a rats ass about the person I was dealing with.  I guess spending nine hours on a plane with a guy and standing there while he’s taking a piss (laughs) actually you form a bit of a bond.  So.

FOERSTER: (sniffles) Yeah.

BELL: Yeah.  I... I’m also surprised at how much your family obviously plays into your life because, uh, jail is full of lots of people.  And you can... the Detachment down here is full of lots of people who they have no...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...there’s nothing to them and their family.  So.  You’re... you’re different, Matt. 
FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: I think, uh... I think you’re... you’re different too because you have, uh, stuff that is absolutely been tearing you up inside.  I think this level of emotion that you’re showing is because there is stuff that’s been buried for a long time, like a long time and it’s...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: You’re able to release it now and maybe nobody in the past... like I don’t... I... I don’t know how you tell me what you probably got inside of you, what you probably felt like telling ‘em for so many years.

FOERSTER: (sniffles) ...{inaudible}...

BELL: You know, I... y-you and I’s relationship is I... I don’t have any expectation about you saying anything, Matt. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles) 

BELL: I think... eh...  I... I’m... and I’m trying to understand the pain that you have because this, what you’re showing, is about pain you have going on inside.  There’s oth... and there’s lots of other people that we have dealt with...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...Matt, who there’s no pain on their part for what they’ve done.  You are experiencing pain.  I guess that’s part of the reasons why... that’s part of the reason why I’m actually interested in conversing with you, not just sitting here...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...like a statute.

FOERSTER: Yeah.  (sniffles)

BELL: The only thing and I’m trying to understand, I’m trying to understand your pain and the only experience, my own experience I can equate it to you is like if I...  I... ‘cause I love my daughter.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: I love my wife and... and I very much love my daughter.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: When I have to give my daughter shit...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...and I get out of hand by something I say or the way I hold her, and I have to take...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...I have to go back and go...  And I know what I’ve done i-is wrong, but the moment overcame me.  I was overcome in the moment and I just...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: I did... it was just something.  You know what I mean?  And you feel bad and you carry it with you and you carry it with you and you carry it with you and things...  You know, there’s somewhere along the way where... where it happens again and you carry it with you, you carry it with you or... where you’ve done something when you shouldn’t of.  And I think... and I think that’s the pain you have, but you have it on a different level and I think it’s... it’s existed for... with you for... for a long time, Matt.  Yeah.  Is… now is there a message...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...that...  You talked about, you know, if... if... if I am able to get a message to mom and Stefanie.  I’m not... you know and Matt there... there’s a level of confidence and I think the... the people who I have to answer to are... are gonna... are gonna allow that.  And if they’re gonna allow that, I wonder if there’s the ability that I have to send one to your dad too.

FOERSTER: Yeah.  (clears throat)

BELL: Anything I could say to him for ya?

FOERSTER: I’d love to be able to talk to him personally. I doubt that’s gonna happen.  (sniffles)  Uhm...

BELL: Are you... are you guys a hugging family?  Would you guys... would you hug any of them?  Yeah.

FOERSTER: (sniffles) ...{inaudible}...   There wouldn’t be anyway I could see him, eh?

BELL: I’m not gonna say no to that.  I will pass it up to the guys who I answer to.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: Uh, it’s almost like... (chuckles) I’m almost kinda like your messenger, like if you want, uh, if you want some coffee or I... I can deliver the message.  I don’t have a whole lot of ability to make the decisions on it, but I can... I can advocate for you.  Now is it... who is it that you would wanna talk to most?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: Like if they said, well we’re not gonna put everybody in there.  I mean if he wants to talk to one person, like who... who would that be?

FOERSTER: Well I’d really like to see my dad.

BELL: You’d wanna see your dad.

FOERSTER: But I’d like to speak with my family as well.

BELL: Okay. 

FOERSTER: Like I know I can’t see ‘em all but at... at least...

BELL: Right.

FOERSTER: ...be able to talk to them.

BELL: Okay.  Now leave it... you know what, leave that with me.  I’ll, uh... i-I know when Sergeant DAVIDSON gets... he’s got a whole bunch of other stuff to do.  Leave that with me and I’ll... I’ll pass it up the chain.  There’s something that you have in your life that I don’t have in my life.  You have bro... you have a brother and then you have... I guess you have a half-brother.  Uh, what is your relationship...  I have no brotherly experience.  I have two older sisters.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: Uh, and they remind me of...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...that, that they’re my older sisters.  (chuckles)

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Is...
FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: What is the relationship like with you and Justin and is it Michael.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: You and Michael.

FOERSTER: Uhm...

BELL: Did... and he has a different last name than you, right?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: And I guess is... is HAN... it’s HANGARTNER, ‘cause somebody... I heard somebody called HAMGARTNER.  It’s HA...HANGARTNER, no it’s HANGARTNER, right.  And that’s ob... I’m taking it just from your mom.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: E...what’s the relations like ship like with them?

FOERSTER: It’s great.  It’s good.  But I haven’t seen my brother in a long time it seems like.

BELL: Is that... now are we talking about Justin or Michael?

FOERSTER: My older brother.  (Sniffles)   Yeah.  ...{inaudible}... a good kid.

BELL: I know where I saw your brother’s name in the past, Michael.  We, uh, (chuckles) and there’s probably a funny story there, uh, eh... I think we were... we were looking... looking up your name and there’s something around you and your brother at the border up in the Yukon.  (chuckles)   What happened there?

FOERSTER: (sniffles) 

BELL: What I wanna know is how you get, uh, somebody’s driver’s license suspended over the phone.  Not you, but apparently the... the Mounties took your brother’s driver’s license away over the phone or something.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)  Yeah.  …kinda funny…  Yeah.  I’ll just leave that story.

BELL: (laughs)

FOERSTER: It’s just ...{inaudible}...  (sniffles)

BELL: Yeah.

FOERSTER: Be a different, uh... be a different story if it was just me and you sittin’ in a bar.

BELL: (laughs)

FOERSTER: ...{inaudible}...  (sniffles)

BELL: Because I remember I... I forget if somebody told me that or I was readin’ that and somebody said, yeah, like a lot... apparently, uh, I think Michael was the one, Michael lost his driver’s license.  He said that he... he lost it over the phone.  I said, “how does that happen?”  So.  So is... Michael’s the guy you’d wanna chat with too or Justin, if we could arrange that?

FOERSTER: All of them, if I can.

BELL: Okay. 

FOERSTER: (sighs)  You seem like a decent guy.

BELL: Me?  (chuckles)   I appreciate that.  I... no, I do appreciate that, Matt, ‘cause you don’t... there’s no reason you have to say that, so I do appreciate that.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: What did you think of me the first time you met me?  (chuckles)

FOERSTER: It’s kinda hard to, uh, (sniffles) even think back on that day.

BELL: It seems like a long time ago, doesn’t it?  Like, uh, for me it does because I know it’s been... like that plane ride yesterday felt like, uh, like time stop... stood still, like it was... it was a long plane ride.  I’ll... I’ll say this and totally outside of any sort of, uh, conversing around, you know, your family or anything like that and I said this to a few people, that town of Collingwood is fairly... is... is pretty nice, eh.  Like, uh, I know when people are saying it’s like the Whistler of, uh, of Ontario.  I was pretty impressed.

FOERSTER: (sniffles) (sighs)

BELL: Is there... is there other questions you have or other things that you’re thinkin’ that I can be an advocate for you to find...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...out or...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...for... for to do?   Eh... worst... I mean the worst that can happen is if somebody says no, so go ahead and ask.

FOERSTER: Basically, uh, if I could see my dad, talk to my family.  And, uh, yeah, just I’d like ta s-say that I love them.  (sniffles)   Just get to be able to talk to them.

BELL: Would it feel like almost...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...like a goodbye.  Oh, hi Sam.


Sgt. GHADBAN into room


GHADBAN:  Hi, where’s Mark?

BELL: I don’t know, I just, uh, I... I... I took Matt, uh, Matt for a piss and I came back and we just started drinking water and coffee.

GHADBAN:  See if... do you mind seeing if you can find him?

BELL: Sure, yeah.

GHADBAN:  ...{inaudible}...  (clears throat)  Matt, you hungry yet?

FOERSTER: No.

BELL: I’ll look into that stuff for you though, Matt.

GHADBAN:  There, you can have when you want.  You doing alright?

FOERSTER: Yeah. 
 
GHADBAN:  ‘Kay.


Sgt. GHADBAN and Cst. BELL leave the room


FOERSTER: (sighs/sniffles) 


Constable BELL into room


BELL: I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not, Matt, but, uh, I’m suppose to come back in here and hang out.  ‘Cause Sergeant DAVIDSON, uh, you’re not gonna believe this apparently, uh, I ran into him in the hallway and he’s on his... he’s on his phone.  Uh, he’s talking with... with Michael.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Like your brother, Michael.  So.  And that’s all I got, so all I know is he’s talking with Michael on the phone so I think that’s, uh, that’s a wild coincidence, so.  As fa... in some ways a good thing though.  It’s... and the reason why I’m... I’m a bit confused about it is I don’t remember, certainly like... like Sergeant DAVIDSON, because I’ve worked with him a number of times, but not too many guys, uh, that have been in his role of, you know, chatting with people that take time out and do stuff outside the room, like engage family members.  So.  I... it’s a pretty... it’s a pretty solid thing to do I think, you know.  And... and I don’t think it had anything to do with... with what you and I were saying.  I think it was... it was in the works, so, uh, that’s pretty solid.  I don’t know too many guys that, uh... I think a guy... uh, you met... did you meet Sam?

FOERSTER: Sam?  The guy who brought the pizza in?

BELL: Oh, yeah, I guess you met him.  Yeah, you met him.  Uhm, he... he’s a solid guy like that too.  Uh, I know he does a lot of chatting with families and stuff like that so.  Uh, but I’ve never... I haven’t actually seen Sergeant DAVIDSON do that... do that a whole lot so I...  It must be pretty important.  I gotta be honest with you, I’m... I’m starvin’.  Uh...

FOERSTER: Go ahead.

BELL: You won’t mind if I take some of your pizza.  (chuckles)  You know, if DAVIDSON asks, uh, if Mark asks, I didn’t have any of the pizza, okay, ‘cause he’s... (chuckles)   Do you want a slice?

FOERSTER: No I’m alright. (sighs)

BELL: Sure as shit, he’s gonna walk in here now seeing me eating your pizza, so.  Is... what do you think of Mark?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)  He seems like a solid guy.

BELL: Yeah. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: If, uh... and I... and may... I don’t know, maybe... I... I’m gonna call him Mark because he’s not in the room.  (chuckles)   If, uhm, if Mark’s able to, uh... like maybe if he’s talking with Michael, maybe there’s other family members he’s chattin’ with too.  If he brought his phone in here or he was able to bring them in here, uh, is there anything in particular... I gu... I guess the thing is sometimes, depending on where people are at with the situation, like maybe the way where your mom’s at or where Stefanie’s at or where Justin’s at or where your dad’s at.   Uh, the whole talking to you thing, I... I don’t know where they would be at with it.   Uh, you know so-somebody like Stefanie, she might be crushed.  You know... you know what I mean?  And she might not wanna... she might not wanna talk, or your mom or Justin or whatever.  Is there... like what would... and if... if that was the opportunity where they didn’t wanna really engage you at this point, is there something that you would say to them?

FOERSTER: Say... just say I love them and yeah.

BELL: I... I would think the fact if he... you said that though... if you said that, even that little piece, I think that would be quite impact-full for them. 

FOERSTER: ‘Cause I think, uh, Mike might wanna talk to me or something, that’s why he’s trying to get a hold of me or something.

BELL: Oh, you think Mike might wanna...

FOERSTER: Well I don’t know.

BELL: Is... is he the ty... and I don’t know the man from a hole in the ground, uhm, I just know about the... the Yukon story.  Is... he’s... is he the... the type of guy who... is he the type of guy who’s calling because he’s reaching out to you or is he the type of guy who’s calling because he’s saying... he’s give... he’s kind of, you know, giving you shit and calling Mark and saying, yeah, that Matt is such and such and such and such and I didn’t like him and I’ve never liked him, or do you think he’s calling ‘cause he’s reaching out?

FOERSTER: He’s reaching out.

BELL: Okay.  Well that’s good.  Are you surprised or are you hurt that... it doesn’t sound like Stefanie or your mom or Justin have called.

FOERSTER: I’m not sure if they know I am here.

BELL: What do... what do you think’s... uh, what do you think is going on... on at home for them?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)  Can only imagine.

BELL: Yeah.   You continue to... you continue to surprise me a bit, Matt.  I’m still... I’m still kinda taken aback.  My head’s spinning a bit around the whole thing where you said... I think you said, “you’re a decent guy to me.”  And I’ve... I didn’t expect that.  I very much appreciate that.  That’ll probably always stick with me ‘cause I tell you, there’s not too many guys who... who I deal with in this sort of you’re there, I’m here per... relationship.  Especially when you and I started off on a very, you’re there, I’m here relationship.  Uh, and who s-said that to me.  So I... I appreciate that.  I think that... for me that, uh, will probably always stick with me, ‘cause obviously this is... this whole, uh, situation will stick with me for probably the rest of my life.  I probably have a unique perspective.  You know, I’m gonna... I’m... this is going to sound fairly arrogant, but I think it’s... it’s the truth.  I have a fairly unique perspective from, uh, from other people and from anybody else that will be involved in this because I will have, uh, been in-involved in all... all of this, like the whole thing with Taylor.  But then I get to sit here with you and as much as all of this was about, you know, obviously finding out who did it, uh, I can still sit here and chat with you and we’re... and just chat, you know.  You’re... you’re... and you’re very much in control of that piece around how our relationship goes because at the end of the day, you could just... you know, you could just be cold-hearted and like I said before, not do anything or show any emotion or act like you don’t care, which is part of what I expected.  I had this image in my mind about who you are and what you were, but it’s different so you will always... you will always stick with me.  Uh, I... I... and there’s part... there’s a piece about you’ve probably given me some faith in that.  I’ve... I’ve probably  written off people along the way, uh, who I didn’t think were, you know, were worth anything when I was dealing with them.  Uh, you’ve kinda changed my mind of that, Matt, so I thank you for that.  That’s interesting.  Who knew you and I would be (chuckles) this kind of heart to heart.   Yeah. 

FOERSTER: Not  too many people will talk to you, right now.

BELL: Yeah.  Hey.  Was it... was it pretty lonely in Collingwood, like just being there? Nice town, but not a whole lot of people to talk to. 

FOERSTER: (sighs)

BELL: We ate at the, uh... what the hell’s that place called, the Beer... Beaver and Bulldog or something pub one night.  You ever eat there?

FOERSTER: Uh, drinks there.

BELL: I tell ya, I had the clubhouse sandwich where it actually had, uh, I think it had pork on it.  Instead of ham, they had actual like pork slice on there.  Did you ever get up to the ski hill?  It’s funny what they refer to as a ski hill out in, uh, Ontario.  (chuckles)  

FOERSTER: Yeah.  (sighs) 

BELL: You keep... your emotions keep doing this, Matt, you just... the... is it... is it like... are you like spinning, like your mind is just spinning and it’s like a roller coaster?

FOERSTER: (sniffles) Yeah.

BELL: Yeah.   Did you... when we were, uh, in the guardroom yesterday, did you mention that you were born in Su... born in Surrey?  Did you... were... did you grow up there at all or was that purely being born and then you were gone out of there shortly?

FOERSTER: They moved out here when I was five.

BELL: So do you have any memory of Surrey?

FOERSTER: A little bit.

BELL: A little bit.

FOERSTER: Just living in ...{inaudible}...

BELL: Yeah.  Th-that’s probably different now than when you were five years old, I bet.  Surrey looks probably very different.  So are you, uhm... are you happy with Cherryville or in your mind, did you think... like are you like Jackson, like the guy’s who’s probably gonna sp-spend Cher... Che... live the rest of his life in Cherryville because that’s his home or are... were you thinkin’ kinda like your sister, bigger and better things beyond.  I shouldn’t say bigger and better.  Cherryville ha... obviously that’s home for some people. 
FOERSTER: Uh, uhm, I don’t know.  I don’t like speaking with that, like...

BELL: The tape.  Well, yeah.  It is what it is, hey. 

BELL: Did you wanna... would you rather I just kinda stepped out and left you for awhile, Matt, or you fine?  Would you rather me sit here?

FOERSTER: I don’t mind.

BELL: Stomach?  And you’re not hungry?

FOERSTER: Yes, I am.  I feel hungry.

BELL: Ha-have you eaten much since you’ve been here, like when they bring the meals, are you eating them or?

BELL: Sports fan?

FOERSTER: Watch the UFC’s.

BELL: UFC, hmm.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Uh, you know it’s one... UFC is funny.  I... are you one of these people who will actually, uh, do the UF... like paid sporting event where ya either rent the... the satellite channel for the night or you go to an event?  I’ve never done that, but it’s one of those things where sometimes a show will come on TV where they’re showing highlights of UFC fights.  It’s tough not to watch that. 

FOERSTER: There’s some pretty amazing fighters.

BELL: Yeah.  Did you... did you ever get involved in it yourself or you a spectator?

FOERSTER: Just watchin’. 

BELL: Uh, sorry about the sports topic.  I... I’m a... a sports fan and I figured we could break bread over sports, if... unless there’s something el... like if you’re a big weather guy, we’ll talk about weather.  (chuckles) 

FOERSTER: I just got so many things going on in my head right now, it just...

BELL: Use one of... of Mark’s terms, it’s like a tsunami or a tornado inside your head there.  Yeah. 
FOERSTER: (sighs)

BELL: Is... is there anything like again that I can... I can do around what’s going on inside your head?

FOERSTER: I don’t think so.

BELL: Okay.  I’m not... and I’m... I’m not trying to pry or trick you or anything like that.  I’m just... my job is ta...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

BELL: ...you know help the guys out and help you out.  It’s a weird position to be in ‘cause I’m sort of the... the go-between.  Uh, if you need something, I’m, uh, to help as best as I can.  Some things I can’t help you with.  Uh...

FOERSTER: Uhh.  I’d really like to be able to see my parents.

BELL: Yeah. 

FOERSTER: All my family.

BELL: I-in your mind, you have... like do you have it prepared what you would say to them?  And I’m not asking you what you would say, I’m just saying, do you have in your mind what you would say?

FOERSTER: Not really, just... just talk to them.

BELL: What... what... and... and maybe I asked you this before, but what do you think their reaction would be?  Do you th... do you think they’d have lots of questions or they would have none?

FOERSTER: Uhh.  Phew.

BELL: Is one... is one of the things you’re feeling fear or scared?  Yeah.   Do you know what the source of that is?

FOERSTER: (sighs) I don’t feel like I wanna talk about it.

BELL: E... I’m... I’m guessing it’s probably the fear of the unknown and where everything’s going.  An-and I... I don’t know how you can’t be afraid of that.  I think that’s just... that’s natural. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)   (sighs)  Don’t really have much else to say.

BELL: Yeah.   I hear ya, Matt, yeah.  Do you want another one, Matt, another coffee?

FOERSTER: Sure.

BELL: Y-you, really.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Oh, perfect.  ‘Kay.  Good.  (chuckles)  We’ll get you... well we’ll get you another coffee.  If worst comes to worst, I’ll just give you Mark’s.  (chuckles)  I’ll get in shit for it anyhow, so I’ll take that one.  (chuckles)  Yeah.  Yeah, I just need to take this cup and I’ll just put it down here.

FOERSTER: This one’s black.

BELL: What’s that?

FOERSTER: Black.

BELL: It’s black.  Alright.  When I pop out, I’ll grab you some more, uh...   Uh, no, just leave it there, fuck, he won’t find it.  I’ll tell you a story about, uh, about Mark.  We were working on a... it... it was the first time I met Mark and we were, uh, working on something together.  It’s this big... big investigation.  And, uh, it’s a few years ago now.  It’s all over and done with.  But anyways, he... he’s this, uh... he was actually in kind of a similar position as I was on this file.  He was doing a lot of, uh, stuff in the early stages as... as far as dealing with, uh, stuff at the scene and stuff.  And, uh, there’s a... there’s a CD of photos that, uh, somebody who was working... well it was one of us, one of the RCMP people, a CD of photos that they had taken and, uh, the CD of photos was left.  They... they were so tired at the end of their shift they put this... the CD of photos on the top of their car.  They drove away and the ca... and the CD’s fell off and they stayed there all night on the ground unbeknownst to everybody else.  So we were, uh... the next morning we came in, the person who lost the CD’s realized they’ve lost these CD’s with these important pictures on ‘em.  And so we’re all in this meeting, uh, and we’re talking around how... how, uh, that we have to go out and we have to do this search between where we were working and this person’s hotel room, who lost the CD’s, thinking that they’re there.  And we’re already to do this, the shoulder to sol... shoulder search at about six in the morning, uh, knowing that the... the media is probably gonna show up and film the Mounties takin’ a shoulder to shoulder search right in front of their Detachment.  And everybody’s all up in arms, going holy crap, like if we’ve lost these CD’s that’s... that’s the end of the world.  And in strolls Mark with his, uh... has he told you about his, uh, protein powder shakes he drinks?  Well he walks in, ‘cause he usually works out in the morning I think.  Uh, big tricep/bicep guy, eh.  I don’t know if you’ve... he, uh, he walks in in the meeting and there’s twenty or thirty people in this room, he walks in, he goes, well where’s everybody going?  And we said, Mark, we gotta do this shoulder to shoulder search down this road before the media shows up.  And he goes, why are we doing that for?  And we go, well (chuckles) it’s a pretty important thing, we lost the... we think we mighta lost some... some photos of, uh, that was taken yesterday.  He goes, oh, you mean these and he pulls out the CD’s, ‘cause then when he the Detachment the night before, he found the CD’s on the ground.  And, uh, he saved, I don’t know how much overtime of people get... being brought in ta... to do the search for no reason, so.  Good old Mark.  You know what, I’ll go see, uh, where things are at, if I can find out anymore information for you.  And you said, is it su... cream and sugar?

FOERSTER: Uh, don’t worry about it.

BELL: You sure, ‘cause I gotta go out anyhow.

FOERSTER: That’s alright.

BELL: I’ll go, uh... I’ll... do you want some wa... I guess I brought that water... I’m not sure if I brought it in for you or Mark.  Do... you want it?  Yeah, why don’t you take... if it’s Mark, take it.  (chuckles)   There.  I’ll, uh, check on things and I’ll be... I’m assuming I’ll be back.


Cst. BELL leaves the room

Cst. BELL into room


BELL: Hey, take what you need and I’ll be back.  It’s cream and sugar.


Cst. BELL leaves the room


***First Video Ends– Second Video Starts***

Sgt. DAVIDSON into room


DAVIDSON: Sorry about that buddy.  I think I’ve been gone for what, a half hour.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: More?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Did, uh... did Tyler take care of things here.  I asked him to make sure that, uh, you got everything you needed.  He brought you pizza.  Did you guys eat?  He didn’t eat, I hope.

FOERSTER: (chuckles)

DAVIDSON: Did... did he (chuckles) your face says it all.  Uhm, okay, I apologize, I was caught up on the phone there, uh, for way long than I thought I was gonna be.  Uh, did you get coffee?

FOERSTER: Yeah.  I got yours too actually.

DAVIDSON: You got my coffee? 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Are you serious?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Those bastards.  They gave you my coffee?

FOERSTER: He said he’s gonna grab another one or something.

DAVIDSON: Tyler said that?  That little bugger.  He’s actually probably one of my best guys on this unit.  How you makin’ out? 

FOERSTER: Oh, I don’t know.  Uh, he said you were talkin’ to Mike?

DAVIDSON: Yeah.

FOERSTER: What’s going on?

DAVIDSON: Well, uh, he actually reached out to us and wanted to know how you were doing.  Uh, it sounds like your whole family units, I don’t wanna say torn apart but there’s... they’re... they’re strugglin’ big time obviously.  And, uh, so he had... uh, there had been some contact again with him and, uh, so I wanted to speak to him.  I wanted to know, uh, a little bit about him and a little bit about you and... and your relationship, ‘cause I... I’ll tell you, one of the things that really struck me was the other day when we were talking and when you heard Mike’s voice there, it hit you hard, like it became apparent to me that you guys were... were close.  And, uh, so you know what, I... I... and he’s just scared, right.  He’s scared and worried about ya.  He’s trying to understand and you heard that in his... in his... in his own words there like did he cause this, right.  Like he’s afraid.  He is genuinely afraid.  So I said, you know, I said... I said, “Mike, tell me... tell me a... tell me a memory you have, you and Matt.”  Which one do you think he told me?

FOERSTER: Oh, I don’t know.

DAVIDSON: What would be your guess?

FOERSTER: Us fishin’ together.

DAVIDSON: That’s exactly what he told me.  You, Justin and him pike fishing.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: You remember that day?  He... he said that, uh, you and Justin and him were tight, all three of you.  He said you and Justin more so because you were raised up in the same environment a lot longer than he was involved in.  But he said that, uh, there’s a really tight bond there.  But he’s... he’s worried about you, right.  He... he wants to understand.  He’s... he’s scared.  Like I mean there’s all... there’s all kinds of emotions there, Matt, and I know you understand that.  And he told me about another big memory he had.  What do you think the other big memory is?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)  I don’t know.

DAVIDSON: What’s that?

FOERSTER: I’m not sure.

DAVIDSON: Uh, he... he still has this huge warmness in his heart when he hears, uh, Macie say uncle Matt. 

FOERSTER: (sighs)

DAVIDSON: He told me about when she was born and the smallest baby in... in, uh, Sick Kids history or something...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...or Children’s Hospital and... and then you were up there for three or four months or two or three months visiting and she was around four.  And he said that’s a... that’s another big memory for him.  But he said it... it’s... you know, the big one, the one that is that bonding time you guys had fishing for pike, pike and he mentioned some other fishing that I never heard of before so.  What was the other fish?

FOERSTER: Lake trout.

DAVIDSON: It was another weird name he used, but...

FOERSTER: (sniffles) Not sure.

DAVIDSON: Something with a W, is that...

FOERSTER: ...{inaudible}...

DAVIDSON: That’s it.  I guess that’s not a W, but (chuckles)   Do you guys... you and Mike are close, eh?  Like in... in a... I mean obviously there’s a lot of distance because of the time or geography, but...

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: ...pretty close.

FOERSTER: (sighs)

DAVIDSON: Did you ever like confide in him about fears or anything like that?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)   I haven’t spoke to him in awhile.

DAVIDSON: No.  I guess he’s had a pretty rough go of it too, eh.  Like through the years he was mentioning AA and that. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: He sounds like he’s got his head screwed on pretty tight now though, eh?

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: Like he’s lookin’ straight ahead.

FOERSTER: Yeah. 

DAVIDSON: Do you think he’d understand?

FOERSTER: (sniffles) Uhhh.

DAVIDSON: It sounds like he’s been to the... here Mike...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...be right back again, sorry ...{inaudible}... two seconds.


Sgt. DAVIDSON leaves room

Sgt. DAVIDSON into room


DAVIDSON: Sorry, Matt.

FOERSTER: Thanks.

DAVIDSON: I’ve always kind of maintained that if there’s tears, at least I know some people actually care, ‘cause unfortunately there’s been times in here where a person doesn’t shed one tear and I wonder what kind of a world that person came from.  Uhm, what you thinkin’ right now?

FOERSTER: I’d really like to speak with my parents, with everyone.

DAVIDSON: Anyone in the family. 

.  .  .

We can’t just be taking people and moving them around.  I mean one thing obviously coming from Barrie ‘cause or from Collingwood, but that’s because you were being transported back, like do you understand.  Uhm, but, you know, uh, I’ll... I’ll... I’ll tell you this, Matt, that you’re not the first person to ask that, right.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: You’ll never... you’re definitely not gonna be the last.  I... I totally get that your dad’s really important to ya, uh, completely.  There’s no... there’s no question in my mind about that.  So what I have done in the past and I’m certainly not above that or ixnaying it right now, would be to set up some form of a way that you could get... give him a message and we could deliver it to him.  If that’s something that you’d be interested in doing.  Uh, I don’t know what you wanna say to him.

FOERSTER: Uh, eventually I’ll be able ta (sniffles) speak with my family someway.  (sighs)

DAVIDSON: What I’m sensing from you, Matt, is... is, uh, that you somehow... like your inner ti... you’re... you’re torn inside about the right thing to do for you.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: I’m not talkin’ about any of the legal stuff.  I’m talking about for you as a person and your family and the relationship you have with your family.  You’re torn about what’s the right thing to do for them.  That’s kinda what I’m sensing from you and I totally get that.  Uh, I told you that I’m a big time family man as well and I would do anything for my family.  They’re the most important people in the whole world.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: (clears throat) Uh, you know...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...the right thing for you is what is the right thing for you.  It’s not what I can suggest to you, it’s not what I can tell ya.  But, you know, one of the biggest things that they’re gonna need, that they’re gonna need is... is on a twofold level.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: One is, is that you feel bad and you feel remorse for them being drawn into this, right.  Whether you meant to or not, doesn’t matter.  It... it... it’s happened and you know that.  You’re... you’re... you get that, right. 

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: The other side is, is for them to know that, you know, the boy, the man, the brother, the son, all of those things, isn’t an animal, like isn’t a beast, isn’t some kind of massive evil, right.  That... that you genuinely have remorse and feelings for what’s happened.  That’s gonna be one of the biggest things for them to... to grasp onto.  Because the other part of it, they can... they can grab that because they know that they’re part of making the choices that they’ve made.  To look after you, help you, hide things, whatever, whatever and I’m not pointing fingers at your family.  I don’t wanna disrespect your family.  But they know what their part of all that is, right.  And... and they can accept that.  They wouldn’t of done it if they didn’t love you.  But they wanna know and they’re gonna wanna know and I know this, uh, from...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...when my... did I... I don’t know if I told you last time I was here, uh, last time we talked, that my... my niece was seventeen years old.  She was one week from her eighteenth birthday.  Sorry, she was sixteen years old.  One week from her seventeenth birthday and she was murdered in Wellen, Ontario and, uh, right now you’re thinkin’ to yourself, yeah, sure.   I can go on Google and I can type in Tiffany BOTTENFIELD (ph) and I can show you the clippings of her being murdered when she was a week from her seventeenth birthday.  And my brother, her dad, that was his only child and he had been in and outta jail most of his life.  He was a bad dude, bad dude.  Well he was kinda... we always joke about the black and white side, you know.

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON:  My brother, his sole direction in life for a long time after that happened was to get back into prison so he could kill that guy, ‘cause he was caught.  The guy was caught and he was in jail waiting to go to court.  And that was his sole focus in life, was how could he get arrested, put in jail, end up in the same spot that this guy, the one that killed his daughter.  That... it... it consumed him.   And when it... when it went to trial and everything came out and all the ugliness that was involved with it and it was ugly.  It was a terrible, sad, sad thing.  The... the guy who did it...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...right, he stood up in court and wanted to apologize to my brother and his wife, mom, and my parents flew back to Ontario for it.  They live out in Alberta.  And as soon as he started talking, they turned their backs to him and so did his parents.  They turned their...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ...backs to him.  He was already convicted.  He was already sentenced.  It was his opportunity to speak, right, and he wanted to apologize ‘cause he said he felt bad for what he had done.  And his parents walked away.  And my brother, afterwards, called me, ‘cause I live out here, he was there, I couldn’t make it to it.  And he was upset but he was thankful that, you know, he was caught and all those things, right.  Here’s... here’s where I’m going with all that though.  It’s... it’s not about the guy going to court.  It’s not about my brother wanting to kill him, right.  This was the first and only time in my life where I’ve been on the other side of the stick, right.  I’ve always been on this side.  So now here I was completely consumed in a whole different part of it and my brother said that if... if the guy had just taken ownership that day, right, the day that he was arrested, the day that he was asked the big question and he explained what happened.  Because he learned afterwards that the guy had some issues.  He actually had... took medications and he was dealing with all kinds... he was twenty-one year, twenty years old and he was dealing with a bunch of issues.  And my brother said that if... if he had just... if he had just told everybody at the beginning that he could’ve found it in himself to at least start to heal and start to move forward.  And the guy’s parents approached the police after it was all said and done and asked if they could talk to the parents of the girl who was murdered.  And the police contacted my brother and his wife, Julie, my si... my sister-in-law and my brother was like, fuck that, those are pieces of shit.  They stood behind him, rada-rada-rada, right.  And the police, I give them full credit, they... they continued to talk to my brother and convinced him that, you know what, maybe you need to do this.  And wh... of course it was a very emotional, uh, situation.  I was amazed one, that my brother did it and didn’t hurt anybody, ‘cause he’s a bad dude and that the police actually allowed it.  It just seemed really bizarre.  Well I......{inaudible}... we can learn so much from all of our experiences in life.  And the thing that my brother took away from that and he still talks about it today.  I mean he’s a ruined man.  He’s broken, he’ll never be the same.  He’ll never be the same.  He doesn’t have a job anymore.  He struggled every single day of his life now, uh, as a parent, not having his child anymore.  But the parents told him this is their son, that we believed in our son.  We believed that he didn’t do it, but we knew he had issues.  We knew he had some stuff going on, that’s why he was on medication, that’s why he was going to counselling and that.  But we didn’t listen completely and if he had just told us at the time and really genuinely showed remorse for what he had done, they said that they could’ve... they would’ve felt better.  They said when he stood up at the end and tried to explain and be remorseful, it looked to them like a charade.  It looked like s-someone was putting on a mask and, you know, auditioning for a movie.  And my brother says now...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: ... he said, I will never like those people.  I will never like that guy and if I ever get the chance to, I will kill him, if what he talks about.  I mean it’s just forbad do but...

FOERSTER: (sniffles)

DAVIDSON: But what he does say though is he said, I realize though that those parents are as... almost as much of a victim of all of this as I am.  He said, the only difference is, is that my child is gone forever dead, whereas their child will live on for many years.  But to them, the connection and the... the, uh, uh, connection that he... they had, the nurturing connection was gone.  That to me is a very, uh, important, uh, very important thing and... and my brother to this day, like I say, he’s got all kinds of sadness in him, but...  And, uh, he... he killed her with a car, ran her over.  And, uh, like I say, he was convicted and because I am a person of my honour and, uh, I don’t... I don’t bullshit, I’m going to... well I can’t get it to come up.  Well here, it’s coming up now.  I told you her name already, right.


(23:25) 03:26:09 Showing FOERSTER News Clipping off Ipad


FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Tiffany BOTTENFIELD(ph).  May 14th, her birthday’s the first week of June.  Christmas, memory of my dear daughter, sister and aunt.  I’m not bullshitting you.  It’s a true fucking story man.  And the reason I’m telling you that, is I’m just talking about your family and your parent’s and how much you wanna talk to them and everything.  They’re gonna wanna know, they know you did all these things.  There’s no question about that, but what they wanna know is that you have remorse for what you did.  That you genuinely feel bad.  And that’s a true emotion right?  Matt, you get that, don’t you?  Do you feel remorse?

FOERSTER: (sighs) 

DAVIDSON: Even the most evilest serial killers have remorse for what they did.  Norm LEGER, Clifford OLSON, Ted BUNDY, they all had remorse when it was all over.  They didn’t wanna do what they did.  Do you feel remorse Matt?

FOERSTER: (sighs)

DAVIDSON: Do you?  Do you feel bad?  I wanna support you Matt.  I wanna give you the strength to feel good, but I gotta know that when you’re emotional, it’s because you feel bad about what happened.  If you could speak to Taylor’s mom right now, would you tell her you’re sorry?  Would you Matt?  Would you tell your family members you’re sorry?  Cause this person right here wants to know.  Right. 

Plays Video of Stefanie FOERSTER

S. FOERSTER:   (inaudible) for Matt.  I just wanted to say that I love you very much and you’ll always be my big brother and just be honest and do the right thing.  I like lost my big brother (crying)(inaudible).  I have to just (inaudible) stuff like that.  Especially the school, that’s kinda just stressful.  Yeah, I think I want just get closure (inaudible).  Yeah.  I know he’s probably really scared right now.  Freaking out, so I don’t blame him, but just (inaudible) what he did wrong.  The truth. 

KAKUNO:   Yeah.

S. FOERSTER:   Like to our family and to himself.  Yeah. 

KAKUNO:   Kay, is there anything else you wanna say to Matt?

S. FOERSTER:   Um, that I just love him very much, yeah. 

KAKUNO:    Kay.”


DAVIDSON: I love you very much.  I just want him to accept and admit what he did wrong. That’s your baby sister.

FOERSTER: She’s grown up so much.

DAVIDSON: She’s grown up so much and she believes in you, but she needs to know that you feel remorseful for what you did, so she doesn’t think that all of the love that she has for you, was shallow or fake.  The same as those people that son who killed my niece. 

FOERSTER: Can I watch it again.

DAVIDSON: Yeah. 

Playing Video of Stefanie FOERSTER

S. FOERSTER:  (inaudible) for Matt.  I just wanted to say that I love you very much and you’ll always be my big brother and just be honest and do the right thing.  I like lost my big brother (crying)(inaudible).  I have to just (inaudible) stuff like that.  Especially the school, that’s kinda just stressful.  Yeah, I think I want just get closure (inaudible).  Yeah.  I know he’s probably really scared right now.  Freaking out, so I don’t blame him, but just (inaudible) what he did wrong.  The truth. 

KAKUNO:  Yeah.

S. FOERSTER:   Like to our family and to himself.  Yeah. 

KAKUNO:  Kay, is there anything else you wanna say to Matt?

S. FOERSTER:  Um, that I just love him very much, yeah. 

KAKUNO:   Kay.”


DAVIDSON: She loves you very much and she wants to love you very much forever Matt.  Forever.  She just wants to understand what happened.  She needs to know that your tears are tears of remorse. 

FOERSTER: She looks so much like my mom.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  Heard her saying, that what you did was wrong.  What you did to your family.  She wants that to be right.  That’s what it’s all about, right there man.  It’s not about you saying, I did this.  It’s about you proving to these people.  It’s for me to be able to go to your sister tomorrow and say, your brother is a good person.  He does feel bad for what he did and if he could change back time, he would.  You would wouldn’t you?

FOERSTER: Yeah. 

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  Matt…look me in the eye.  Tell me this.  Do you feel bad for killing Taylor?

FOERSTER: Yes.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  I know you do buddy.  Has it been haunting you since that day?

FOESRTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON Yeah, I know man.  You never in a million years thought this would ever be like this, did you?  I told you I believed in you.  And I’m gonna make sure she knows too, that you feel bad.

FOERSTER: That’s not going to make things right.

DAVIDSON: Not going to make things right?

FOERSTER: I can’t.

DAVIDSON: You can still.  We can’t change what happened.  We can’t change what happened, and I know you know that.  And if you could, you would, wouldn’t you?

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: What would you change? 

FOERSTER: Everything.

DAVIDSON: What is everything? 

FOERSTER: This should never have happened. 

DAVIDSON: Was there drugs that night? Alcohol?  Both? 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  Yeah to what?

FOERSTER: Both.

DAVIDSON: Both.  What drugs were you doing?

FOERSTER: I was drinking.

DAVIDSON: Drinking?  No do....no dope?

FOERSTER: Smoked some weed.

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry?

FOERSTER: Smoked some weed.

DAVIDSON: Smoked some weed.  Drinking’s been a bad demon, eh?

FOERSTER: Yeah. 

DAVIDSON: Does the alcohol feed the ugliness inside?

FOERSTER: I don’t know

DAVIDSON: What pushed you to go there that night?  To there that location?  Did something happen?  Like trigger you?

FOERSTER: I don’t wanna talk about it. 

DAVIDSON: Does it scare you?  Do you wanna hear Stefanie again? 

Playing Video of Stefanie FOERSTER

S. FOERSTER:  (inaudible) for Matt.  I just wanted to say that I love you very much and you’ll always be my big brother and just be honest and do the right thing.  I like lost my big brother (crying)(inaudible).  I have to just (inaudible) stuff like that.  Especially the school, that’s kinda just stressful.  Yeah, I think I want just get closure (inaudible).  Yeah.  I know he’s probably really scared right now.  Freaking out, so I don’t blame him, but just (inaudible) what he did wrong.  The truth. 

KAKUNO:  Yeah.

S. FOERSTER:  Like to our family and to himself.  Yeah. 

KAKUNO:  Kay, is there anything else you wanna say to Matt?

S. FOERSTER: Um, that I just love him very much, yeah. 

KAKUNO:   Kay.”


DAVIDSON: One of the things she asked the guy that she’s talking to there, Darren, was did my brother go there to kill that girl? 

FOERSTER: No.

DAVIDSON: No?  Was I right the other day?

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: What was it for?  Was it for death?

FOERSTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: No?  Was it for sex?   No? 

FOERSTER: I don’t know what to say.

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry.

FOERSTER: I don’t know what to say.

DAVIDSON: Don’t know what to say?  Was it to practice?

FOERSTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: What was your intentions?

FOERSTER: I don’t know. 

DAVIDSON: One of the big questions Matt, everybody in this investigation and probably Tyler, some level too is, what caused it to go the way it went?

FOERSTER: I don’t know.

DAVIDSON: What took it from being something to something way more? 

FOERSTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: Was it her screams?  Do you remember her screaming?  Cause that hit you pretty hard when I played that witness statement, didn’t it.  Talking about those two screams.

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  Is that the turning point?  Have you talked to anybody about this?

FOESRTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: About that night?  Like how you felt.  How you felt after you left. 

FOERSTER: No.

DAVIDSON: How do you feel about it right now? 

FOERSTER: I don’t know how to describe it. 

DAVIDSON: Have you experienced excitement or thrill as a result of it?

FOERSTER: Shakes Head no ….. No

DAVIDSON: How has it been sitting in apartments and hotels in Collingwood by yourself?

FOERSTER: Lonely.  Just (inaudible).  I feel bad but I can’t take it back.  I wish I could.
 
DAVIDSON: What’s the next best thing to doing, if you can’t take it back?  You’re a good person Matt.  Everything I’ve seen about you, you’re a good person Matt.  You did some bad things, there’s no doubt about that.  But you’re a good person.  I told you that right from the minute I walked in and talked to you, didn’t I?

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: That that was the feeling I had about you.  And then when I’ve met your family and talked to people and family and everything. I knew I was right.  That’s why I didn’t quit.  That’s why I didn’t give up on you man.  I knew you needed a vessel a conduit, to be able to, you gotta let them off the hook man.  You heard what Stefanie said, I feel like I’ve lost my big brother.  But you can get that back.  Or, you can make it so she doesn’t lose her big brother, and I mean that.  I know right now, it doesn’t feel that way.  But you really truly can.  And that’s, and that is exposing all of it.  It is, it’s about exposing it all.  So that when they look at you and you look at them, you know that you have nothing hidden.  That there’s no more lies.  There’s no more deception.  There’s no more badness.  There’s no more beast.  There’s no more demon in there.  And there’s a demon in there, isn’t there?  It rears it’s head, doesn’t it?  It’s okay to be honest about that.  Your mom confided in her friend.  She feels to blame. 

FOERSTER: She shouldn’t. 

DAVIDSON: She should?

FOERSTER: Shouldn’t.

DAVIDSON: Shouldn’t.  She does.

FOERSTER: My parent’s are like, couldn’t ask for better parent’s. 

DAVIDSON: M-hm.

FOERSTER: Better family.

DAVIDSON: But you’re part of that family too, Matt.  And that’s how they feel about you.  Look at that girl, right.  I mean she’s still sticking beside you.  Mike is sticking beside you.  They’re just scared, cause they don’t know what they’re sticking up for.  I mean, they’ve heard all the stuff, right.  They’ve talked to you, they’ve seen stuff.  They’re scared. 

FOERSTER: It’s not me, I just made some mistakes. 

DAVIDSON: And that’s what cleaning that off, so that when you see them the next time, for the first time, you can tell them that I’ve taken ownership for everything. There’s no more secrets.  Cause here’s the thing.  You’re a young man.  You’re a young man, Matt.  And do you know what that means, it means the day is gonna come when you’re gonna be out and free again.  You understand that, right?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: And here’s the thing, if you don’t face those demons, and those mistakes now and go forward, so you can get better, and understand, when you get out, guess where you’re gonna end up again.  Right back again. 
.  .  .
Jesse loves you like a brother.  He wants nothing more then to drink beer with you, again.

FOERSTER: You talked to him.

DAVIDSON: Right, like they want they want you back, man.  But they wanna know that the guy who comes back, is fixed, right.  They know there’s something going on.  They know that you’re not just, hey, they talk about how great you are and how loving you are and how caring.  They don’t know about that other piece that comes out sometimes, right.  They don’t know about what happened. 

.  .  .

I can’t I can’t tell you how truthful that is.  Right.  Your sister, who knows you’re in a world of hurt and what does she say, do the right thing Matt.  Tell the truth, we love you.  Don’t let this wrong hurt you and your family, she says.  They’re gonna ask you what was in your mind when you went to the railroad tracks that night.  What were you thinking?  Be honest with yourself. 

FOERSTER: It’s so hard to say. 

DAVIDSON: Take my hand.  Use my strength.  What was on your mind when you went down those tracks that night?  You can do it Matt.  You can do it.  You can do it.  Were you going to kidnap her? 

FOERSTER: No. 

DAVIDSON: Not kidnap?  What were you gonna do?

FOERSTER: (inaudible)

DAVIDSON: Come on Matt, what were you going to do? 

FOERSTER: I don’t want to talk about it.

DAVIDSON: Come on, you can do it.  Were you gonna torture her?

FOERSTER: No.
 
DAVIDSON: What was the plan?  Do you need Stefanie’s strength again?  Do you want her to give you strength again?  Cause that’s what she wants to do. 

FOERSTER: I want to talk to my mom, my sister and brothers.  I miss them. 

DAVIDSON: Kay.  Hang tough for a sec okay. 


Sgt. DAVIDSON leaves the room


FOERSTER turns on video clip

Playing Video of Stefanie FOERSTER

S. FOERSTER:  That’s okay.  I usually (inaudible). 

BELL:  So, what tell me what you’re feeling right now, Stefanie.   Why are you crying? 

S. FOERSTER:  I don’t know, it’s just like overwhelming.  Like scary                kind of. 

BELL: Is it is it scary to think that your your might’ve might’ve killed Taylor. 

S. FOERSTER: No, it’s just like weird to even think like...

BELL:   Okay.

S. FOERSTER:  Even that, yeah.”


Sgt. DAVIDSON back into room


DAVIDSON: Is someone talking in here?

FOERSTER: I was just trying to play the video again.

DAVIDSON: Oh.

FOERSTER: (inaudible). 

DAVIDSON: Are you done with this coffee bud, is it dead?

FOERSTER: Uh, I’m still drinking.

DAVIDSON: Still drinking.  Do you want the video again?

FOERSTER: I just like seeing it. 


Playing Video of Stefanie FOERSTER

S. FOERSTER: (inaudible) for Matt.  I just wanted to say that I love you very much and you’ll always be my big brother and just be honest and do the right thing.  I like lost my big brother (crying)(inaudible).  I have to just (inaudible) stuff like that.  Especially the school, that’s kinda just stressful.  Yeah, I think I want just get closure (inaudible).  Yeah.  I know he’s probably really scared right now.  Freaking out, so I don’t blame him, but just (inaudible) what he did wrong.  The truth. 

KAKUNO:  Yeah.

S. FOERSTER:  Like to our family and to himself.  Yeah. 

KAKUNO:  Kay, is there anything else you wanna say to Matt?

S. FOERSTER: Um, that I just love him very much, yeah. 

KAKUNO:   Kay.”


DAVIDSON: A sweetheart, eh.  Do you see your mom there too?  A lot of your mom?

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: Yeah. 

FOERSTER: With her hair cut, just like her. 

DAVIDSON: M-hm.  Yeah, I saw pictures of them, both of them.  It was like, wow. 

FOERSTER: You couldn’t get any of them on the phone?

DAVIDSON: What’s that?

FOERSTER: Couldn’t get any of them on the phone?

DAVIDSON: No, it’s ten o’clock now, they may not be answering the phone from us now.  I do wanna pass on messages for them.  I do.  And and I wanna be able to tell them that Matt didn’t want you guys suffering anymore.  Didn’t want you guys, you don’t want your mom telling people in the grocery store, your son didn’t do this, right.  And looking like a, I don’t wanna say a fool, but people will people will embrace your family, way more, whole heartedly if they know that they’re that they’re accepting the situation.  And they can accept the situation when when they know you have accepted it.  That’s why she said, so it doesn’t ruin my family and him, right.  Doesn’t hurt my family and hurt him.  I’ve heard a lot of good things about your dad.  A ton of good things.  From the different people in the community.  He’s a very well respected man.  Even SHAWCROSS, you know yeah, they came forward, but they came forward because they cared about your dad, right.  You get that?  They didn’t wanna see him get in any trouble more trouble.

FOERSTER: I don’t wanna see him get in any trouble either. 

DAVIDSON: No.  Did you tell your dad what happened?  Or give him some form of a story? 

Sgt. GHADBAN into room


GHADBAN: Sorry Mark I have phone call from Mike.  Hello.....lost him.  Mike, Mike phoned. 

DAVIDSON: He called for me again?

GHADBAN: Yeah, you’re phone was flashing, it’s on you got it on silent.  But maybe take it off silent.  He’ll probably call back.  You must’ve given him your cell phone obviously.

DAVIDSON: Yeah, he had my cell number, yeah.

GHADBAN: Okay, sorry.


Sgt. GHADBAN leaves room


DAVIDSON: Kay, hopefully he’ll call back.  What did y...what did you say to your dad?  What did you tell him? 

FOERSTER: I think he kinda just had an idea of what was going on.  He was just trying to help me out.  He got himself....

DAVIDSON: Sorry, go ahead. 

FOERSTER: He’s kinda got wound up in this, in all of this and he doesn’t deserve it.  Cause (inaudible) right now.  He doesn’t deserve it.  And he doesn’t deserve any kind of trouble.

DAVIDSON: Did he ask you if you did it?

FOERSTER: No, he just, I think he just wanted to help me.

DAVIDSON: He didn’t wanna know, eh?  What about your mom? 

FOERSTER: Same thing.

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry.

FOERSTER: Basically she had some sort of ideas. 

DAVIDSON: What vehicle did you have in Armstrong? 

FOERSTER: Oh, fuck. 

DAVIDSON: Who was with you that night?

FOERSTER: Nobody. 

DAVIDSON: Is that the truth?  Were you alone?

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: I don’t even know what vehicle you drive.  I have no idea.  But I know you couldn’t have walked. 

FOERSTER: Can you maybe get Mike on the phone?

DAVIDSON: I’m just waiting to see if he’ll call back.  I don’t have my, I don’t have his number with me .  .  .  Am I right when I say, you’re going for sex?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Yeah. 

FOERSTER: It just got outta hand.

.  .  .

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  What did you hit her with Mike, or Matt, sorry?

FOERSTER: I don’t know.

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry?

FOERSTER: I don’t know.

DAVIDSON: You don’t know what you hit her with?  Where did it come from?

FOERSTER: It’s like I blacked out.

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry.

FOERSTER: It’s like I blacked out.

DAVIDSON: I know it’s what you want.

FOERSTER: Certain parts.  Certain parts of it, I just just I can’t remember. 

DAVIDSON: Our sense of blackout is a survival mechanism that we all have built into us when things scare us or we don’t like em.  Or we just outright don’t wanna talk about em.  I get that, I really do and I appreciate when you say that.  But you either had it with you, brought it there, or you found it there.  How did you find her?

FOERSTER: I can’t remember, just minds kind of a blur. 

DAVIDSON: You’ve worked hard here, don’t don’t minimize now.  Remember I said, they wanna know that you’ve been, clean that slate.  By saying I can’t remember or I blacked out, it’s self preservation then. 

FOERSTER: I can’t remember.

DAVIDSON: What’s that?

FOERSTER: I can’t remember. 

DAVIDSON: Did you follow her onto the tracks?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  Did you see her leave her apartment?  It’s okay if you did Matt.  It’s okay if you did.  You saw her leave her apartment?  Or you saw her before then?

FOERSTER: I don’t really want to answer anymore questions. 

DAVIDSON: How come?

FOERSTER: Cause I don’t feel right.

DAVIDSON: You don’t feel right?  Why?  What do you mean by that? 

FOERSTER: I just don’t wanna I just don’t wanna talk about it.

DAVIDSON: Does that part scare you? 

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: Yeah.   Were you hunting her like a predator?

FOERSTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: You saw her before that day, didn’t you? 

FOERSTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: No?  If she hadn’t fought you and screamed, would she still be alive today?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.

(PORTION REDACTED)

Sgt. GHADBAN into room

GHADBAN: Sorry to interrupt interrupt there guys.  I’ve been listening to what’s going on here.  Obviously Matt, I’ve been watching what’s going on here.  I’m gonna tell you something here, this right now is about credibility, kay.  It’s about credibility.  This man has put a lot of faith in you.  And has and has explained everything.  This man has bent over backwards to believe in you.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

GHADBAN: And quite frankly, looking from the outside in, I’m at the point now where I’m thinking that maybe he shouldn’t be believing in you.  He’s giving you an opportunity to deliver this to your family.  To salvage any sort of credibility and any sort of dignity that you have, with your family, that’s what they wanna hear from you.  They wanna hear the truth.  And I get that you’re scared Matt.  We understand.  I understand that, Mark understand’s that.  But right now, this is about other people.   This is about Taylor’s family.  This is about your family.  This is about that little girl on that screen there, who’s begging you, so don’t make the mistake of falling short.  Like don’t just stick one foot into the water.  And not make that leap for yourself and for your family.  We get it Matt, we get it’s difficult.  We get you’re in a bad spot.  And we get that a lot of people don’t get the opportunity to be able to profess themselves.  And we get that there’s not a lot of police officers gonna go and deliver this message to the family.  But we’re offering you that.  That we’ll go deliver that to your family.  That it’s coming from a sincere heart, not just somebody who’s just trying to protect themselves and piece us off, or piece somebody off by saying, well I’m gonna give you this, but I’m not gonna give you this.  You you get what I’m saying?  Do you understand what I’m saying Matt?  Like the truth is is is one package.  Like you can’t piece it off and go, you know this part I’ll tell the truth, and this part I won’t be truthful.  This part kinda, I don’t like the way that looks, so maybe I’ll leave that out.  Cause then what happens is, nobody can believe anything that you say.  .  .  Matt, does that make sense to you?  Do you understand what I’m saying to you? 

FOERSTER: Yes.

GHADBAN: Do you get that?  So when Mark’s talking to you about being out there and and and you know, did you follow her from your house?  Or did you just come across her?  Did you just happen to cross her or did you follow her from her house?  You’ve heard the term, “man up?.  You need to for yourself.  This is the toughest thing you’ve ever come across in your adult life, I’m sure.  Guaranteed. And you’ve made mistakes.  You even said earlier, you said, I’ve made some mistakes and that’s fine.  We’ve all made mistakes, everybody’s made mistakes in their lives.  Well what’s gonna define you now, is how you deal with your mistake.  Or what can define you, is the fact that you made mistakes and now you’re gonna keep making mistakes by lying about it and lying about it and lying about it.  I told you the other day, you can’t be selfish.  You have other people to think about.  You have that sister of yours, Stefanie, and we haven’t even talked about Justin right.  Mike is making phone calls and I don’t know if he called back, but you know, whether he called the front office or something, but Mike is concerned about you.  But these are all people that wanna believe in you and they wanna stand behind you.  But they need to know the truth.  They don’t need parts of the truth, cause that’s all they’ve been getting anyways right.  Because they hear it from the media and they hear it from friends, and they hear it in Cherryville.  They hear it on the streets, and people like that.  They’re getting that anyways.  But what they wanna hear, is they wanna hear from you.  To be able to say, okay, you know what guys, I I admit that I made a mistake.  I just wanna deal with it now.  I wanna deal with my family, I wanna salvage my relationship with my family.  I want them to believe it, you know that believe that it’s just a mistake. 

.  .  .

FOERSTER: Yeah. 

GHADBAN: Am I making sense to you? 

FOERSTER: I understand.

GHADBAN: Like I’m not trying to, I hope I’m not coming across as scolding or anything like that, I just don’t want you to make the biggest mistake of your life now, by not salvaging your relationship with your family.  And with the VAN DIEST family.  Let’s be honest, I mean, you know they need they need resolution here too.  This man is pouring his heart out to you, he is.  He’s spent a lot of energy believing in you.  And I told you the other day, not everybody shares that opinion.  He is of the minority.

FOERSTER: Yeah.

GHADBAN: Right, you run across those cops who are good guys, bad guys, right.  It’s us against them.  This man doesn’t think that way.  So this man is putting a lot of faith in you.  Be honest with yourself, okay.  All I’m asking of you, is be honest with yourself.

Sgt. GHADBAN leaves room


DAVIDSON: He delivered the message a little different then I did.  But you know what’s important Matt, is that I’m when I say that I wanna tell your family the truth, I don’t mean we’re gonna tell them what you tell us.  I don’t, we don’t mean that. I hope you didn’t think that.  What I mean is, is that I can go to Stefanie and your mom Debra, and your Stephen and your brother Justin, and first of all, they can get past hating us.  Because right now, they hate us.  But we can tell them that you were truthful, you were honest, you explained what was happening and what happened.  You took ownership because you wanted them to be off the hook.  That’s what Sam’s talking about.  That’s what I’m talking about.  It’s not about telling them ugly details.  Absolutely not.  Of course we wouldn’t tell them that stuff. 

FOERSTER: They’re gonna hear about it anyways. 

DAVIDSON: Some maybe.  But at least they know you were honest about it, right.  You don’t want your mom saying, well maybe maybe Matt did kill that girl, but you know, it was an accident.  That you know, or something like that, right.  I’m not saying, I’m not saying you meant to go there and kill her, but what I’m saying though is, there’s a big difference between an accident and something getting out of control, right.  You want your mom and dad to be able to say that, that my son made mistakes, but we love him and we support him because he came through it.  He came through has honest.  And I’ve had the opportunity many times to do that.  Many times, Matt.  That’s why that’s why I picked, I asked if I could come and talk to you, that’s why they came to me and said, Mark you’re the biggest bleeding heart cop that’ll ever walk the earth.  You love everybody.  And never talk harsh about people.  You see the good in everyone.  This man is gonna need someone who believes in him. But I’ve also had people piece me off, bullshit me, make me look like a fool and I’ve gone back to the family and I look like a fool.  I’m I won’t do that anymore. I can’t.  Cause you know what, it’s hard on me too, I didn’t loose all this hair and go grey by you know, of done on my own stupidity, I don’t need to take on other hardships as well.  Sam’s really right.  Like, when you’ve already told me that you killed her.  We already, you already told me that you didn’t mean too, that that’s not what you went for.  That it got outta hand.  You told me that you went for sex.  And that if she hadn’t fought you, you wouldn’t have killed her, right.  Is that all truthful?

FOERSTER: Uh, yes.

DAVIDSON: Is it?  Honestly?

FOERSTER: Yes.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  So like, that’s that’s the big part of it now.  So you know, did you come across her?  Or did you follow her? 

FOERSTER: I just came across her. 

DAVIDSON: Came across.  So tell me about how that happened.  Were you hiding in the bushes or were you walking on the tracks? 

FOERSTER: Uh, ...

DAVIDSON: I know you have it in you Matt.  You were walking behind her weren’t you?  That’s why she typed “I’m being creeped!”. 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  So did you start following her or walking behind her on the road?

FOERSTER: Nods Head Yes

DAVIDSON: Yeah.  Did you see her leave her apartment or the building where she lived?  Where were you when you saw her?

FOERSTER: On the road. 

DAVIDSON: On the road.  Driving?  What were you doing? 

FOERSTER: Just walking.

DAVIDSON: Where were you coming from?

FOERSTER: Just walking around the town.

DAVIDSON: Just walking around town?  Looking for sex?

FOERSTER: Just walking

DAVIDSON: Sorry?

FOERSTER: Just walking really.  I was just ...

DAVIDSON: Where was your vehicle?

FOERSTER: I just parked in in town. 

DAVIDSON: Parked in town?  What vehicle were you driving that day?  How come you don’t like that question Matt? 

FOERSTER: My truck.

DAVIDSON: Your truck. 

FOERSTER: Just, I don’t wanna I don’t like talking about this. 

DAVIDSON: What did you hit her with? 

FOERSTER: I don’t remember. 

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry.

FOERSTER: I don’t remember. 

DAVIDSON: I know you don’t want to remember.  But I also know Matt that you do. What did you use to hit her?  Reach deep buddy.  There’s some fears in the file that it was a gun.  Like a pistol.  Should we be worried about a gun somewhere?

FOERSTER: Shakes Head No

DAVIDSON: No?  Kay, good.  What was it Matt? 

FOERSTER: I don’t wanna talk about it. 

DAVIDSON: I know you don’t want too.  Put your hands down here, put your hands down here.  You’re a big strong guy.  If you wanted to talk about it and it excited you, then I’d have some real issue with you.  But I know you don’t wanna talk about it.  I know it’s hard.  I totally get that.  What did you bring with you?  What did you have with you?  Hold on, put your arm down there, be strong man, be strong.  I know you’re strong.  What was it?  Where is it?  Where is the item you hit her with?  What did you do with it?

.  .  .

Play Audio Clip Deb FOERSTER


Ann:  Yeah.

D. FOERSTER:  Yeah, I mean (inaudible) till you can or whatever you     know.  Yeah, I mean,

Ann:  (inaudible) what’s that?

D. FOERSTER: He’s still my boy, you know. 

Ann:  I know that. 

D. FOERSTER: Yeah.

Ann:   I know that.  You’re the mom.  You know what, that’s     your child.

D. FOERSTER: Yeah.

Ann:  And and you know, you can’t change what he did.  You can’t change that, and it and you didn’t do it Deb.  It’s not your fault.  I don’t want you to think that’s your fault.

D. FOERSTER: I never. I know that.

Ann:  You know.

D. FOERSTER:  But I just feel like I wish to would’ve listened more you

Ann: You know what, we all go through that, what if.  I would’ve done this.  Maybe I ...

D. FOERSTER: Yeah, isn’t that awful. 

 

DAVIDSON: Did you hear what your mom said?  I wish I would’ve listened more.  So she’s at home now. She’s got chains across her driveway.  She’s not going into work.  She runs the risk of losing her job because she doesn’t want to be pointed at and talked behind her back.  She’s talking to her friend Ann, you know her good friend in Invermere?

FOERSTER: Oh yeah.

DAVIDSON: Cause Sarah her daughter, died.  She’s reaching out to her for support and strength.  And you heard her say that, I just wish I woulda listened more.  She just wants to understand Matt, she just wants to be let off.  So she can heal and heal with you and support you.  You heard her, you heard her friend say, no matter what you did, still gotta stand beside you.  She wants to, so don’t make her a victim again.  Don’t make her victim again.  You love your mom you said.  You’d do anything for them.  They’ve been there, so you gotta take that strength and you gotta do it for them.  You know you know that you were selfish when you let your dad and mom help you when you took off in December, right?  Right?  They got left with the police surveiling them.  Tapping their cars, phones, following them around.  Taking their DNA behind their back.  Right.  Don’t be selfish here today.  Don’t be selfish anymore.  This is your chance, this is your time to be that guy, that man, that they know you are.  They felt like they had no choice but to help you, because they’re your parent’s and they wanted to.  They wouldn’t have done it, if they didn’t love you.  Now’s your chance to show that you love them.  You can let them off the hook.  So that your guys relationship can continue and get better again.  Because it’s at a low time low right now right, you get that don’t you.  Right, your dad has to drive up into the mountain and phone you from some secluded place, cause he’s afraid someone’s gonna hear them or see them.  Right, he’s getting all the people to buy ID for you.  That’s not who your dad is, right.  He’s been living a lie since, probably a long time, but definitely since December.  And it’s just killing them.  Your brother and your mom are basically locked up in the house.  And now they’re now they’re being prisoners all over again in the media.  Your mom has to see on there, she goes on to tell Ann that I can’t even watch the tv really, cause it’s all over the news.  Remember that feeling you had when you saw that?  Imagine the feeling your mom has.  Seeing your dad’s name there too.  Right.  I believe in your man, I believe in you.  And I’ll give you all the strength that I have, you can take it from me and you can muster into your gut to do it.  But like Sam’s said, he puts it blunt, but he’s right. You can’t sell it short now man.  You can’t, you’ve worked too hard here today.  And you’ve worked so hard with your family for twenty-six years and them with you.  To piss it all away because you wanna be selfish.  And I know you’re not trying to be selfish, but that’s what ultimately ends up happening.  Your own sister, right.  Jesse CREBO, Jesse’s girlfriend, is it Jenny? 

FOERSTER: Jeanine.

DAVIDSON: Yeah, they’re standing behind you.  They wanna see you again.  They want you get whatever process you need to go through.  To get yourself better.

FOERSTER: I’m sorry, I can’t (inaudible).

DAVIDSON: What’s that?

FOERSTER: I said, I’m sorry.  I can’t, seriously.

DAVIDSON: And part of that though is, you have to face your demons.  You have too.  If you don’t, the first thing they tell alcoholics, what’s the first thing they tell you you gotta do?  You gotta admit you’re an alcoholic right.  One of the hardest things you’ve had to do in here, tell me, was that you grabbed Taylor, cause you were looking for sex, right? 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

DAVIDSON: And that’s because you know there’s a problem. You know you have a problem there, don’t you.  Absolutely.  So, you just did the one of the hardest parts of the whole thing.  Is admitting what the problem is.  And the second thing you learn in alcohol AA, right, and if Mike’s been there, he’d be the first one to tell you, that first you have to admit you have a problem and then second thing you have to do, is you have to be able to re....you have to be able to face and own everything that you’ve done and everybody you’ve hurt, right.  You have to tell your life story.  Because then there’s no more secrets, right.  There’s nothing more to hide.  There’s no more dark bushes.  No more shadows.  No more closets, right.  Well there’s lots of closets for you right now.  That’s why today is so important.  I told you that before, right. 

FOERSTER: I don’t know what else to say, I basically relayed it out for ya.

DAVIDSON: I’m sorry.

FOERSTER: (inaudible) I’ve said, I don’t know what else to say. 

DAVIDSON: I’m just trying to understand what happened there.  You said you saw her on the street, you started walking behind her, right.  So how did you how did the first contact start? Tell me what happened.

FOERSTER: I was (indecipherable).

DAVIDSON: You’re stalking her and what did you do? What happened next?

FOERSTER: Talking to her.  I talked to her.  That’s basically it.  I don’t, I don’t know, I can’t say… talk anymore.

DAVIDSON: Did you grab her? 

FOERSTER: Sorry.

DAVIDSON: How come you’re sorry?  Tell me what you hit her with (inaudible).  Work really hard and tell me.

FOERSTER: I can’t think talk about it.

DAVIDSON: How come you can’t talk about it?

FOERSTER: Cause I don’t want too.

DAVIDSON: Does it scare you?

FOERSTER: It’s not me.  It’s just...

DAVIDSON: I know I know it’s not you.  If I thought it was you, I wouldn’t be sitting here talking to you, you know that by now, right?  Right?

FOERSTER: I just made some bad choices. 

(PORTION REDACTED)

DAVIDSON: When that person’s in that state, so you said you were drinking that night, your your those urges, and that need for fulfilment starts to kick in.  And just by unfortunate terrible circumstance, Taylor VAN DIEST comes walking along and goes down an area she definitely should not have been walking by herself.  I’m not saying it’s her fault, but she definitely shouldn’t have been walking there.  If she just walked down the street underneath the street lights, you probably would never have attacked her, right.  I know that this isn’t you, but the way too......


Sgt. GHADBAN into room


GHADBAN: Sorry Mark, Mike HANGARTNER wants to talk to you. 

DAVIDSON: Oh, okay. 

GHADBAN: Do you need the washroom or anything like that Matt? 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

GHADBAN: Do you?  Kay.  I’ll see if, Tyler? 

DAVIDSON: Just get Tyler, hang on a sec, kay.

GHADBAN: He went wondering the hall.  Tyler! 


Sgt. DAVIDSON leaves the room


BELL: Yeah.

GHADBAN: You alright?  You’re taking some big steps here. 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

GHADBAN: Uh, don’t fall short there, right. 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

GHADBAN: Seriously, for yourself.  Think about that, like honestly.  Sit down and absorb that a little bit for yourself.  I know it’s hard to do.  Think about everybody around you, how this has all effected them and stuff.  It’s important. 


Cst. BELL into room


BELL: The right thing, eh.  Just grab this here.  Just go down here.


Sgt. GHADBAN, Cst. BELL and FOERSTER leave room 

Cst. BELL and FOERSTER into room


BELL: I don’t know if I’ll uh, I don’t know if I’ll get the opportunity to see anything the uh, rest of the night.  I might later on but, this is what I was talking about we’re went to the for that bathroom break earlier.  This is this thing where I feel like you’ve had this do the right thing, and you’re doing it.  Like there’s even more of a shift that’s taken place with you.  I know you feel like you’re doing the right thing. 

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Yeah.  And I’ll I’ll tell you something else, sometimes there’s a block we get to, because we feel like, we go so far and go okay, I can I can tell this much.  But then and hopefully that that’ll be good enough.  Even though there’s this much to tell, because I don’t think people can handle this much.  At the end of the day, everybody who’s here working with you, including me, we kind of know or think we know what this much that that there is to know. And it’s not gonna it’s not gonna shock us to hear the rest Matt, okay.

FOERSTER: I can’t talk about it right now.

BELL: I’m I’m not gonna I’m gonna I’m not here to push you Matt, I just I’m just saying you’re doing the right thing.  But you’ve done this much of the right thing and there’s this, there’s this much to do, okay. 

FOERSTER: I can’t. 

BELL: You can, cause you’ve done this much.  Okay.  There’s this much, you’ve only done this much.  This is this window we’re talking about, like we we knew we know that you can, you can that there’s this much of the right thing for you to do.  Look at how much time we spent with you getting you to the place this this much of the right thing, okay.  Mark Mark is is this is the hardest that I’ve ever seen him work with somebody to get to that place of of the right thing.  All the right thing, not just a piece of the right thing.  Okay.  And I know you can do it, I wouldn’t have had that talk with you and I was the guy that take you to go take a piss.  I don’t, I’ve never had a conversation with somebody in a hallway like that, or stopped them, cause I knew that there was piece of you.  So, I’ll leave it to you, eh.  But you’ve you’ve done, you’re doing the right thing.  I’m es...I’m I’m ecstatic for you. I I feel good for you, okay, is there any, I’m gonna I’m gonna leave you be.  Did you need anything from me? 

FOERSTER: It was nice to talk. 

BELL: Do you need a handshake?  Do you need a hug?

FOERSTER: No, that’s alright.

BELL: Alright.  I’m a big hugger.  You know Sam, Sam the guy that keeps coming in here?  We hug all the time.  His hugs are a bit different then mine, but we hug all the time.  His is to usually a hurt me, mine’s mine’s outta love.  Alright!  Alright.  I don’t know when I’ll see you again tonight, I know I will see you eventually alright, but.  I knew I knew there was there was I know there’s this.  But we’ve seen this, alright.  I’m excited for you, you’re doing the right thing.  There’s lots of people who would sit there and make the choice to be not do the right thing, kay.  You good for water?

FOERSTER: Yeah.

BELL: Is that coffee empty?  I’ll see if there’s more. I know you’re not gonna turn it down. 


Cst. BELL leaves room

Cst. BELL into room

BELL: There you are.

FOERSTER: Thanks.

BELL: You betcha.


Cst. BELL Leaves room

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